HD650的家用耳擴

[allen_lin99]

我想請問一下各位前輩,因為想買HD650拿來接電腦的訊源,音效卡為X-fi Elite pro.想請問一下以下哪種方式會比較好?小弟有爬過文整理了一些選擇,用途雜食性音樂+電影,預算差不多45K,如果能省又有好效果當然更好囉,因為可以拿去買好一點的線.如果有產品是只有在美國買得到的也行,因為小弟目前住在美國.

1.Corda CANTATE or OPERA接SPDIF
2.單買DAC+Corda,頭大師or GRAHAM SLEE SOLO
3.其他更好的選擇

又聽說Corda的耳擴對前端的電源很care,是不是需要買一個TRIPP LITE isobar排插專門給Corda接會比較好?

[timchen1112]

Benchmark DAC1 USB

[東海遺民]

Corda Opera。

[allen_lin99]

Benchmark DAC1 USB

大大建議是因為他是專業的DAC加上有USB嗎?所以是要讓訊號走USB會比走SPDIF來得好的意思嗎?
不過這一台的價格跟一台Opera差不多了,但Opera還有耳擴的功能,有點不太清楚為什麼大大會建議這一台.

[timchen1112]

我直接打英文 因為我中打很慢
1st, sorry I misread you original post. I thought you wanted something that's both a USB DAC and a headphone amp - my bad.

Corda Opera's USB DAC is medicore at best (I had not tried the SPDIF input of Opera while I owned it, however).

I recommend you upgrade your source to DAC1 USB because it sounds great. If your computer's sound card has coaxial out, that's what I'd recommend you use. I tried using a cheap JVC DVD player to feed the DAC1 USB via coaxial and it sounded MUCH better than when using my Asus laptop's USB.

I think you should give the DAC1 USB a try (especially because that you are in the USA and can take advantage of the 30-day trial). I am confident the DAC1 USB will be a MUCH better source than your sound card. People buy expensive headphone amps but neglect their sources. It's not that I think your current source is lousy - I have no experience with the x-fi pro but it does not seem to be audiophile-oriented. You might want to keep in mind that your amp merely amplifies the source it receives. In my opinion getting an expensive amp to match your sound card is a mistake. If I were to upgrade my system, I'd start with the source. The reason is that, clearly you are interested in the best sound possible with your budget and in this instance my opinion the source is most effective place to start.
Now, while DAC1 USB serves as an audiophile quality source component, the headphone amp is NOT nearly as good as the Opera's. I used the DAC1's headphone out for a month, and then tried it with the Corda Prehead, and man, DAC1's headphone amp does not compare to the Prehead. But I'd rather upgrade the source first because I still feel this is where the greatest improvement will come (see above) and a better amp can come later, meanwhile, use DAC1's amp, it's no slouch (just that there are better ones).

[allen_lin99]

I totally agree with the source is very important for all sysytem. Even I have a good AMP, but if I can't improve my souce that is still worthless. That is why I picked OPERA and CANTATE which combined with DAC and AMP. Besides, I don't have much space to put lots of machines on my desk, so I prefer to use only one machine can solve all problems or use few small size machines.

I checked the Bechmark's website, there are two types of DAC. One is with USB, another is w/o USB. If I can use coaxial, can I just buy the one w/o USB because it has lower price and as you said I might not use USB to be my input?

[timchen1112]

I totally agree with the source is very important for all sysytem. Even I have a good AMP, but if I can't improve my souce that is still worthless. That is why I picked OPERA and CANTATE which combined with DAC and AMP. Besides, I don't have much space to put lots of machines on my desk, so I prefer to use only one machine can solve all problems or use few small size machines.

I checked the Bechmark's website, there are two types of DAC. One is with USB, another is w/o USB. If I can use coaxial, can I just buy the one w/o USB because it has lower price and as you said I might not use USB to be my input?

The Opera and Cantate are primarily headphone amps, and the DAC function is, in my opinion, for convenience only. The DAC in Opera and Cantate are not comparable to DAC1, which is source first, amp second. So..if you can have only one machine, would you rather have a mediocre source amplified by an excellent amplifier, or an excellent source amplified by a mediocre amp?

If you use coaxial, I actually think the DAC1 (w/o USB) is better value.

[jjj121]

既然有人推dac1,
我也來推一下Apogee Mini-DAC w/ FireWire來當訊源...

最近買了一台, 他的s/pdif in和1394 audio效果我覺得都很好,
背景乾淨, 音場及動態都不錯, 細節也多但卻不會覺得刺耳!

這個價位下還有da10,
但以電腦當訊源的話, mini-dac整合性更佳,
不大台, 各種輸出入介面一應俱全...

[tim.chnan]

選擇 Corda Opera 的好處，可能在於綜合性的應用比較 flexible
特別是如果你的桌上系統還有座機 （這時候 Opera 的耳擴就會有比較好的發揮）
Opera 的 DAC 沒有很棒，但是一體機系統的考量下
我覺得 DAC1 和 Opera 應該也只是個人選擇的不同而已

[allen_lin99]

目前的選擇比較偏向Opera or Cantate一機先到位(兩台會差很多嗎,我只知道價位差很多),他的DAC功能先勉強用用,我想對我來說應該也夠了.以後如果有預算還是想玩更高級的東西,就把DAC1帶回家合體.畢竟我知道耳機跟喇叭這條路會越玩越大,我還是先選擇適合我的,我能負擔的就好.

tim大,我想請問一下你的Opera電源線跟訊號線是在哪個網站買的,感覺便宜又好用,可以介紹一下嗎.謝謝

[tim.chnan]

目前的選擇比較偏向Opera or Cantate一機先到位(兩台會差很多嗎,我只知道價位差很多),他的DAC功能先勉強用用,我想對我來說應該也夠了.以後如果有預算還是想玩更高級的東西,就把DAC1帶回家合體.畢竟我知道耳機跟喇叭這條路會越玩越大,我還是先選擇適合我的,我能負擔的就好.

tim大,我想請問一下你的Opera電源線跟訊號線是在哪個網站買的,感覺便宜又好用,可以介紹一下嗎.謝謝

是在問我嗎？

如果是我用的話：
我用的電源線
*. Iron Lung Jellyfish (about $25~29) http://www.2baudio.com/
*. Zu Cable, Birth power cord 在 ebay 上找 zu_promos 這個賣家的商品
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZzu_promos 一般兩米的成交價大概是 $35~50 （我目前用這一條）

訊號線 (inter-connect)
*. Zu cable, Oxyfuel（銅線）:約 $20~30， 也是一樣 ebay 上標，但是某些器材（Opera <=> Philips CD 880）聲音很奇怪。
*. Zu Cable, Gede (銀線）：約 $110，聲音比較細緻，不錯，我拿來接 DAC和耳擴。
*. Blue Jeans Cable: BJC 有做很多線材，似乎都不錯用，而且聲音都比較中性，亂接也都還好，而且價格很低廉，不錯用，http://www.bluejeanscable.com/。

數位線：
銅軸線我用過的幾種（Corda 送的，BJC，Zu-cable Firemine還有不明小黑線），感覺上差異沒有訊號線明顯，我比較喜歡 Corda 送的。

USB 線：
我只用過 Corda 送的，AA 上有人用過台制的 USB 銀線，聽說有改善一些。

排插：
我沒有用。

然後，根據 Head-fi 上面 Skylab 的測試說法， Cantate 和 Opera 聲音上有很大的差距，所以要買 Cantate 似乎不如像上看 Opera 或向下看 Move/Arietta。還有在美國買 Corda 的東西，似乎用 TTVJ 買比較不用等。

[timchen1112]

Kimber 也有出USB線 (我沒用過)