音樂現在開始販售Iqube的隨身耳擴了
http://www.hifi.com.tw/adm_product/ad_p ... anuniq=285
不曉得這台耳擴拿來推HD650效果如何呢
小弟目前是用旅行家來推650
他的價錢比旅行家高好多啊
不知道拿來推什麼樣的耳機最適合啊
請強者賜教喔
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由 pizzaman 發表於 週二 5月 13, 2008 6:46 pm
哈!
我前幾天就有發現這裡:
http://www.i-qube.nl/index.php?id=17
很奇怪? 是為Ultrasone設計的嗎?
335歐元... 好貴ㄡ
日本Timelord (Ultrasone日本代理商)也要開賣這台.
我前幾天就有發現這裡:
http://www.i-qube.nl/index.php?id=17
很奇怪? 是為Ultrasone設計的嗎?
335歐元... 好貴ㄡ
日本Timelord (Ultrasone日本代理商)也要開賣這台.
最後由 pizzaman 於 週二 5月 13, 2008 6:51 pm 編輯，總共編輯了 1 次。
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由 kryztof_tw 發表於 週二 5月 13, 2008 6:52 pm
哇！專業的K大
請問什麼是A類AB類CLASS-D類耳擴啊
可不可以跟小弟解釋一下
小弟以前用過Corda MKII隨身耳擴
現在用的是Gramham Slee的旅行家
他們又是怎樣的耳擴呢
跟iqube比有何不同啊？
對了P大給的連結中點進去
會看到這台耳擴有兩個價錢
後者是上稅後的價錢（19趴 好高啊）
請問一下從台灣買的話需要付稅金嗎？
請問什麼是A類AB類CLASS-D類耳擴啊
可不可以跟小弟解釋一下
小弟以前用過Corda MKII隨身耳擴
現在用的是Gramham Slee的旅行家
他們又是怎樣的耳擴呢
跟iqube比有何不同啊？
對了P大給的連結中點進去
會看到這台耳擴有兩個價錢
後者是上稅後的價錢（19趴 好高啊）
請問一下從台灣買的話需要付稅金嗎？
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由 killkli 發表於 週二 5月 13, 2008 6:59 pm
我不專業 囧
擴大迴路的說明我也只知道一點點
大概就是A類最耗電（因為隨時都是大電流輸出）
而且效率不高，輸入的能量大概只有10~20%被用來放大訊號
AB類是A類的改進，只有在訊號進入時才會隨訊號而放大輸出
效率也有所改善，數字我就不清楚了
D類的放大效率則一般高上面兩者，因為原理好像不同了，
能量效率大概都有90%
簡單的說就是D類都很省電
但是聲音的表現就各有所好了
D類應該會有很低的失真
但推起耳機好不好聽就難說
iQube目前有評價的人都說好
主要讚賞的特點是「聲音非常中性」
不會對訊源的音色多做渲染
而忠實扮演了放大的角色，
讓原本因為推力不足而窄化的聲音可以推開
台灣買當然不用稅金
稅金是「當地商人」在當地賣東西要付的東西
在台灣一般售價都已經包含稅金了
最後，音悅網站標的售價不準
請打電話過去問吧
擴大迴路的說明我也只知道一點點
大概就是A類最耗電（因為隨時都是大電流輸出）
而且效率不高，輸入的能量大概只有10~20%被用來放大訊號
AB類是A類的改進，只有在訊號進入時才會隨訊號而放大輸出
效率也有所改善，數字我就不清楚了
D類的放大效率則一般高上面兩者，因為原理好像不同了，
能量效率大概都有90%
簡單的說就是D類都很省電
但是聲音的表現就各有所好了
D類應該會有很低的失真
但推起耳機好不好聽就難說
iQube目前有評價的人都說好
主要讚賞的特點是「聲音非常中性」
不會對訊源的音色多做渲染
而忠實扮演了放大的角色，
讓原本因為推力不足而窄化的聲音可以推開
台灣買當然不用稅金
稅金是「當地商人」在當地賣東西要付的東西
在台灣一般售價都已經包含稅金了
最後，音悅網站標的售價不準
請打電話過去問吧
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由 darkavatar1470 發表於 週二 5月 13, 2008 8:01 pm
之前就聽說過這台耳擴很厲害,
沒想到現在竟然有機會可以聽聽看,
不過那個價錢實在是太可怕了
話說音悅也開始賣 Qables 的線呢....
沒想到現在竟然有機會可以聽聽看,
不過那個價錢實在是太可怕了
話說音悅也開始賣 Qables 的線呢....
Grace Massdrop m9xx -> AT-RA5000 -> CEC HD-53r -> ATH-A900Ti
-> ATH-AD1000prm
-> ATH-AD1000prm
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由 kryztof_tw 發表於 週三 5月 14, 2008 3:56 am
A大的分析真的很中肯啊
不過小弟之所以對隨身耳擴有興趣的原因是因為今年年底要出國讀書
總不可能把headmaster帶去吧
所以就趁出國前物色一台隨身耳擴囉
隨身耳擴應該算留學生的寶物呢 哈！
不過小弟之所以對隨身耳擴有興趣的原因是因為今年年底要出國讀書
總不可能把headmaster帶去吧
所以就趁出國前物色一台隨身耳擴囉
隨身耳擴應該算留學生的寶物呢 哈！
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由 NINJAGAIDEN 發表於 週三 5月 14, 2008 9:32 am
這台耳擴音悅是在上星期五到貨的,當時在店裡有幸借來聽 
,
試聽是用Qables Silvercab搭配小弟的I7+ES3,
第一印象就是原本接近殘廢的高頻明顯改進不少,
聲音質感也比直上I7上升不少,但卻是少了些低頻衝擊力,
人聲也稍稍融入了音樂中,不如直上訊源般的突出感,
但這樣的聲音小弟蠻喜歡的XD,
而加上耳擴最令人擔憂的底噪問題在這組合上是不用擔心的
(至少我沒聽到XD)
以上沒啥重點的心得是耳擴剛拆封時的心得XD
..........我該存錢了XDD
,
試聽是用Qables Silvercab搭配小弟的I7+ES3,
第一印象就是原本接近殘廢的高頻明顯改進不少,
聲音質感也比直上I7上升不少,但卻是少了些低頻衝擊力,
人聲也稍稍融入了音樂中,不如直上訊源般的突出感,
但這樣的聲音小弟蠻喜歡的XD,
而加上耳擴最令人擔憂的底噪問題在這組合上是不用擔心的
(至少我沒聽到XD)
以上沒啥重點的心得是耳擴剛拆封時的心得XD
..........我該存錢了XDD
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由 darkavatar1470 發表於 週三 5月 14, 2008 10:20 am
an6550696 寫:其實此等級數的耳擴...
是用來推耳罩還是耳塞....
耳塞真的有必要用到此等耳擴?????
隨身又麻煩........而且耳塞設計大部分都很好推......
相較之下, 耳塞耳道確實是比 K701 HD650 之流好推太多了,
但也不可否認的, 用耳擴確實會讓音質有明顯的提昇,
當然就會有我這種笨蛋, 出門還得帶一堆器材才會滿足...
雖然不是針對你,
但是我認為質疑隨身攜帶耳擴的必要性,
就像是我媽問我耳機幹麼買那麼貴一樣難以回答.....
Grace Massdrop m9xx -> AT-RA5000 -> CEC HD-53r -> ATH-A900Ti
-> ATH-AD1000prm
-> ATH-AD1000prm
-
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由 QUALIA 發表於 週三 5月 14, 2008 11:20 am
darkavatar1470 寫:an6550696 寫:其實此等級數的耳擴...
是用來推耳罩還是耳塞....
耳塞真的有必要用到此等耳擴?????
隨身又麻煩........而且耳塞設計大部分都很好推......
相較之下, 耳塞耳道確實是比 K701 HD650 之流好推太多了,
但也不可否認的, 用耳擴確實會讓音質有明顯的提昇,
當然就會有我這種笨蛋, 出門還得帶一堆器材才會滿足...
雖然不是針對你,
但是我認為質疑隨身攜帶耳擴的必要性,
就像是我媽問我耳機幹麼買那麼貴一樣難以回答.....
那相信下次.....因該真會看到有人戴 650 990 701...上街吧
最後由 QUALIA 於 週三 5月 14, 2008 11:38 am 編輯，總共編輯了 1 次。
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由 killkli 發表於 週三 5月 14, 2008 11:20 am
對iQube有興趣的人
這裡轉一下Head-fi上Skylab的評價：
> Qables iQube
Info: i-Qube - A new dimension in portable hi-fi » home
The iQube is a very interesting amp. It's a class D amplifier topology. This is the first of its kind as far as I know - a class D portable headphone amp. Class D has at least the potential of being more battery-efficient, and I did get almost 100 hours of play on the first set of AAA alkalines I had in it (which I used up in 100 hours of break in). The iQube will charge rechargeables, but it doesn't come with them, nor does it come with a charger, although it has a fairly wide tolerance for AC adapters it would seem.
Build Quality: A+: Excellent, VERY attractive metal case. I wasn't sure at first about having the jack on the back and the volume control on the front, but I loved it in the end. There is a very slight turn-on tick. But overall, the build quality is among the very, very best, and it's the kind of thing that gives great pride of ownership.
Treble: A+: clean, clear, grain-free, extended and transparent. Great air and extension, and very natural. It wasn't too aggressive ever, but it wasn't at all soft or rolled off. I wouldn't use it with super-bright headphones. But this really isn't the iQube doing anything other than being VERY neutral.
Midrange: A: smooth, clean, and open - with amazing see-through type clarity, while being tonally very neutral. There is perhaps just a touch of reticence, but not enough to worry about.
Bass: A: Ultra-deep and powerful, with excellent definition and speed. VERY tight, but not overly generous. Again, Neutral comes to mind.
Neutrality: A+: The new king of Neutrality. Over and over again that's how I thought of it. Easily shows the difference between headphones in a flash. Only the LISA III is in the same league here. While I still love the Meier Move, it has a "sound" moreso than the iQube.
Soundstaging: A-: The soundstage was great, but it wasn't the WORLD's widest. Still, nothing to sneeze at.
Transparency: A: Nothing to take issue with here either. Try as I might to pick up some kind of issue with transparency related to the use of class D, I couldn't. I just loved it.
I have to say, I was HIGHLY impressed by the iQube. Unfortunately for those in the USA, the current dollar>Euro exchange rate makes the iQube pretty expensive -- as of today, it would cost the American buyer over $460, and January 1 it will cost about $500 (at current exchange rates). And as good as it is, I personally don't think it's enough better than the other top amps to easily justify that price here. I know there is nothing Hans at Qables can do about his costs, or the dollar to euro exchange rate, but it is a pity. If this amp could be had in the US for $335, it would be very easy to recommend as the best buy in high-end headphone amps. But it's $335 EUROS. So for everyone in Europe, this is a great amp to get. For those in the US, I think it requires a little more thought. Nonetheless, it's a superlative headphone amp.
這裡轉一下Head-fi上Skylab的評價：
> Qables iQube
Info: i-Qube - A new dimension in portable hi-fi » home
The iQube is a very interesting amp. It's a class D amplifier topology. This is the first of its kind as far as I know - a class D portable headphone amp. Class D has at least the potential of being more battery-efficient, and I did get almost 100 hours of play on the first set of AAA alkalines I had in it (which I used up in 100 hours of break in). The iQube will charge rechargeables, but it doesn't come with them, nor does it come with a charger, although it has a fairly wide tolerance for AC adapters it would seem.
Build Quality: A+: Excellent, VERY attractive metal case. I wasn't sure at first about having the jack on the back and the volume control on the front, but I loved it in the end. There is a very slight turn-on tick. But overall, the build quality is among the very, very best, and it's the kind of thing that gives great pride of ownership.
Treble: A+: clean, clear, grain-free, extended and transparent. Great air and extension, and very natural. It wasn't too aggressive ever, but it wasn't at all soft or rolled off. I wouldn't use it with super-bright headphones. But this really isn't the iQube doing anything other than being VERY neutral.
Midrange: A: smooth, clean, and open - with amazing see-through type clarity, while being tonally very neutral. There is perhaps just a touch of reticence, but not enough to worry about.
Bass: A: Ultra-deep and powerful, with excellent definition and speed. VERY tight, but not overly generous. Again, Neutral comes to mind.
Neutrality: A+: The new king of Neutrality. Over and over again that's how I thought of it. Easily shows the difference between headphones in a flash. Only the LISA III is in the same league here. While I still love the Meier Move, it has a "sound" moreso than the iQube.
Soundstaging: A-: The soundstage was great, but it wasn't the WORLD's widest. Still, nothing to sneeze at.
Transparency: A: Nothing to take issue with here either. Try as I might to pick up some kind of issue with transparency related to the use of class D, I couldn't. I just loved it.
I have to say, I was HIGHLY impressed by the iQube. Unfortunately for those in the USA, the current dollar>Euro exchange rate makes the iQube pretty expensive -- as of today, it would cost the American buyer over $460, and January 1 it will cost about $500 (at current exchange rates). And as good as it is, I personally don't think it's enough better than the other top amps to easily justify that price here. I know there is nothing Hans at Qables can do about his costs, or the dollar to euro exchange rate, but it is a pity. If this amp could be had in the US for $335, it would be very easy to recommend as the best buy in high-end headphone amps. But it's $335 EUROS. So for everyone in Europe, this is a great amp to get. For those in the US, I think it requires a little more thought. Nonetheless, it's a superlative headphone amp.
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由 an6550696 發表於 週三 5月 14, 2008 1:07 pm
darkavatar1470 寫:an6550696 寫:其實此等級數的耳擴...
是用來推耳罩還是耳塞....
耳塞真的有必要用到此等耳擴?????
隨身又麻煩........而且耳塞設計大部分都很好推......
相較之下, 耳塞耳道確實是比 K701 HD650 之流好推太多了,
但也不可否認的, 用耳擴確實會讓音質有明顯的提昇,
當然就會有我這種笨蛋, 出門還得帶一堆器材才會滿足...
雖然不是針對你,
但是我認為質疑隨身攜帶耳擴的必要性,
就像是我媽問我耳機幹麼買那麼貴一樣難以回答.....
我沒有質疑隨身帶耳擴的必要性啦~~
好像er4b跟scl5.....(兩隻中我只聽過er4b)~~明白是有必要用耳擴~
但是隨身耳塞要用上20k的隨身耳擴~~
會不會有種"本末倒置"的感覺??
有半隻ue11pro的身價~~
如果用不上貴價的定制耳塞~真的有必要用得上這種耳擴??
更何況"隨身聽"不是就為方便嗎?如果又帶一堆玩具出街...又好像失去意義了~~
而對於高級的耳罩....更有種"雞肋"之感.
最後~~發燒友~~"發燒"當然是不用理智的啦~~不需要旁人的理解~~我的室友也說我變態的~有多餘錢也叫我多添點衣服~
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由 Baimi 發表於 週三 5月 14, 2008 1:36 pm
an6550696 寫:darkavatar1470 寫:an6550696 寫:其實此等級數的耳擴...
是用來推耳罩還是耳塞....
耳塞真的有必要用到此等耳擴?????
隨身又麻煩........而且耳塞設計大部分都很好推......
相較之下, 耳塞耳道確實是比 K701 HD650 之流好推太多了,
但也不可否認的, 用耳擴確實會讓音質有明顯的提昇,
當然就會有我這種笨蛋, 出門還得帶一堆器材才會滿足...
雖然不是針對你,
但是我認為質疑隨身攜帶耳擴的必要性,
就像是我媽問我耳機幹麼買那麼貴一樣難以回答.....
我沒有質疑隨身帶耳擴的必要性啦~~
好像er4b跟scl5.....(兩隻中我只聽過er4b)~~明白是有必要用耳擴~
但是隨身耳塞要用上20k的隨身耳擴~~
會不會有種"本末倒置"的感覺??
有半隻ue11pro的身價~~
如果用不上貴價的定制耳塞~真的有必要用得上這種耳擴??
更何況"隨身聽"不是就為方便嗎?如果又帶一堆玩具出街...又好像失去意義了~~
而對於高級的耳罩....更有種"雞肋"之感.
最後~~發燒友~~"發燒"當然是不用理智的啦~~不需要旁人的理解~~我的室友也說我變態的~有多餘錢也叫我多添點衣服~
這
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由 ericjj 發表於 週三 5月 14, 2008 4:47 pm
D類放大就是數位放大.
名噪一時的T-AMP就是D類放大.
最主要的好處就是省電.
音質呢????
這裡有一篇簡介:
http://www.aatc.tw/tech/faq/d%20class%20amp.htm
山寨主對D類放大(目前所有小功率Class D/T-amp 都算)好像很不屑.
我有挖到這一篇:
http://www.andaudio.com/phpbb2/viewtopi ... ht=#368195
名噪一時的T-AMP就是D類放大.
最主要的好處就是省電.
音質呢????
這裡有一篇簡介:
http://www.aatc.tw/tech/faq/d%20class%20amp.htm
山寨主對D類放大(目前所有小功率Class D/T-amp 都算)好像很不屑.
我有挖到這一篇:
http://www.andaudio.com/phpbb2/viewtopi ... ht=#368195
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由 wgundamcustom 發表於 週三 5月 14, 2008 6:48 pm
ericjj 寫:D類放大就是數位放大.
名噪一時的T-AMP就是D類放大.
最主要的好處就是省電.
音質呢????
這裡有一篇簡介:
http://www.aatc.tw/tech/faq/d%20class%20amp.htm
山寨主對D類放大(目前所有小功率Class D/T-amp 都算)好像很不屑.
我有挖到這一篇:
http://www.andaudio.com/phpbb2/viewtopi ... ht=#368195
看來有許多人瞧不起KW的隨身聽/D類放大
KW近代的隨身聽用的都是D-AMP
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由 eliseo 發表於 週四 5月 15, 2008 2:16 am
其實只講究音質的話
重點不在什麼類的放大
而是倒底聽不聽的出來吧？
反正聽音樂
重要就是順耳阿
不過如果要講耗電之類的
或許就值得商確了
說來我自己手上也是有台隨身耳擴
不過現在我也偏向是耳擴就不要買隨身的
出外在+個耳擴著實很不便
體積過大
或許外出真要比較好用
就是用坦克綁法吧
但是我現在外出是用MD
加上我發現我手上的耳擴調音有一定味道
有些時候接了聲音反而怪怪的
現在反而多用來接CD隨身聽的Lineout
重點不在什麼類的放大
而是倒底聽不聽的出來吧？
反正聽音樂
重要就是順耳阿
不過如果要講耗電之類的
或許就值得商確了
說來我自己手上也是有台隨身耳擴
不過現在我也偏向是耳擴就不要買隨身的
出外在+個耳擴著實很不便
體積過大
或許外出真要比較好用
就是用坦克綁法吧
但是我現在外出是用MD
加上我發現我手上的耳擴調音有一定味道
有些時候接了聲音反而怪怪的
現在反而多用來接CD隨身聽的Lineout
CDP: Sony D555
DAP: AK320
DAC: Benchmark DAC3 B
AMP: Benchmark HPA4, Benchmark AHB2
電源：KOJO Aray MKⅡ
耳機: ADX5000, GH1, Alessandro M1, HD414, UM1, Campfire C/2019 Q4
DAP: AK320
DAC: Benchmark DAC3 B
AMP: Benchmark HPA4, Benchmark AHB2
電源：KOJO Aray MKⅡ
耳機: ADX5000, GH1, Alessandro M1, HD414, UM1, Campfire C/2019 Q4
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