8單體,JH 16 PRO:JH13 Jh16 UE18的比較影片(英文)

[Hkimo]

定價在USD$1149(比UE18pro便宜USD201,JH13pro+USD50即可)
今年的3/1可以開始訂購
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f103/jh16-pro-jh-audio-announces-jh-audio-jh16-pro-custom-ear-monitor-466764/

單體規格如下:
single dual high, single dual mid and double dual low drivers terminate into a triple bore.

唯一的感想:
Jerry,你在婊UE嗎?

[turecolor]

定價在USD$1149(比UE18pro便宜USD201,JH13pro+USD50即可)
今年的3/1可以開始訂購
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f103/jh16-pro-jh-audio-announces-jh-audio-jh16-pro-custom-ear-monitor-466764/

單體規格如下:
single dual high, single dual mid and double dual low drivers terminate into a triple bore.

唯一的感想:
Jerry,你在婊UE嗎?

看不懂英文 @@ 請問是耳道客製的嗎?

[Hkimo]

對,簡單說.

2高,2中,4低

[adamgash82125]

ue18 6單體
jh16 8單體
這下冏掉了......
不過jh出這麼快好嗎？
就算真的做到完美了 對有jh13的人也太......

[erec829]

感覺還好，

4個低音單體感覺低頻會很重(不是小弟的菜的感覺)，

沒什麼怨念.....

[forevera06]

傻眼 硬要婊UE

好像變成壓著打的局面了

16 我原本還以為是三高二中三低

[ykaj]

等超過10單體的出來後再看看吧~ 否則JH13已經讓小弟的木耳每次戴上都很感動了....

不過JH16多了2個低音單體, 這樣低音量會不會很可怕...

[randy0722]

為啥不4 2 2呢？

[et3862]

:(
為啥不4 2 2呢？

其實我希望是2 4 2...

客制等我會賺錢在說好了XDD

[hdd60311]

怎麼兩家的新客製都是偏向低音的啊

[hfclub]

本來想衝JH13的
不過看到這消息
再等等看好了
先參考別人的評測再下手~
這價錢太有競爭力了...

[ajyu]

訂了大陸的8單元，收到發感想。

[ericinsha]

本來想衝JH13的
不過看到這消息
再等等看好了
先參考別人的評測再下手~
這價錢太有競爭力了...

看了hfclub兄的配備清單，感覺我們兩人的發燒路途剛好是面對面，
hfclub兄是由耳罩走向耳道(CM)；小弟相反是由耳道邁向耳罩
ED8是我們的交集！

[hfclub]

看了hfclub兄的配備清單，感覺我們兩人的發燒路途剛好是面對面，
hfclub兄是由耳罩走向耳道(CM)；小弟相反是由耳道邁向耳罩
ED8是我們的交集！

大概因為小弟比較懶
耳道封頂比較簡單~

家用系統要再升級的話幾乎要整組砍掉重練吧...
而且現在很少有機會在家享受音樂了
隨身訊源隨處可聽~比較方便
像我現在出門在外大都是用IPT2代配CM700Ti、TF10或ED8
連耳擴都很少用到了
就算CM了大概也是直推吧
我的IPT跟iPhone 3GS的Dock端都很怪
很容易接觸不良(Slivecab pro)....

[eiri526]

單體越做越多有比較好嗎？
六單體很平衡已經夠好了吧，要再多也是九單體(333)會比較平衡啊
為啥不學學KLIPSCH想辦法突破一單體的極限，創造更高的技術呢
話說回來一單體其實就沒有客製化的必要了吧

[ajyu]

單體越做越多有比較好嗎？
六單體很平衡已經夠好了吧，要再多也是九單體(333)會比較平衡啊
為啥不學學KLIPSCH想辦法突破一單體的極限，創造更高的技術呢
話說回來一單體其實就沒有客製化的必要了吧

聽説是單體越多分析力越好，而且看上去確實和6單體有些不同。(滿足浮躁的虛榮心）
原本是訂6單體的，但8單體價格和6單體一樣所以轉訂8單體了。

[erec829]

看了hfclub兄的配備清單，感覺我們兩人的發燒路途剛好是面對面，
hfclub兄是由耳罩走向耳道(CM)；小弟相反是由耳道邁向耳罩
ED8是我們的交集！

大概因為小弟比較懶
耳道封頂比較簡單~

家用系統要再升級的話幾乎要整組砍掉重練吧...
而且現在很少有機會在家享受音樂了
隨身訊源隨處可聽~比較方便
像我現在出門在外大都是用IPT2代配CM700Ti、TF10或ED8
連耳擴都很少用到了
就算CM了大概也是直推吧
我的IPT跟iPhone 3GS的Dock端都很怪
很容易接觸不良(Slivecab pro)....

老實說QABLE的DOCK做的真的很差

小弟之前有一條SLIVER PRO，非常容易接觸不良，

動到一下音樂就消失了，一度讓我以為我的IPC有問題，

後來才知道完全是線的問題....

[Hkimo]

恩!!
挖這篇是因為剛好看到一個論壇,關於JH16與JH13的差異寫的比之前看到的都清楚.

有興趣的可以去看看.
http://www.cp1805.com/forum

PS:他還有JH跟PICO的試聽,真好.不過在香港

[kenv1212277]

低音4單體.....
看來會被轟到火星上面去
不過我所擔心的並不是線材或外殼損壞
若是過保之後單體或控制元件故障那可就.....
一副相當賓士級的耳機阿

[bbr0406]

低音4單體.....
看來會被轟到火星上面去
不過我所擔心的並不是線材或外殼損壞
若是過保之後單體或控制元件故障那可就.....
一副相當賓士級的耳機阿

哈哈 看一下H兄PO的網站吧
裡頭有提到
Jerry Harvey指出
它的低頻甚至比U.E.11遠遠少得多。
JH16比起JH13只是在低頻範圍裡面加了2dB。
兩個低音單元的加入就是要讓低音的質量及準確性控制得更好。
所以不會被轟到火星上面去啦

另外基本上若平常的使用習慣還不錯的話
客製化耳機並不容易故障

[pywang]

哈哈 看一下H兄PO的網站吧
裡頭有提到
Jerry Harvey指出
它的低頻甚至比U.E.11遠遠少得多。
JH16比起JH13只是在低頻範圍裡面加了2dB。
兩個低音單元的加入就是要讓低音的質量及準確性控制得更好。
所以不會被轟到火星上面去啦

另外基本上若平常的使用習慣還不錯的話
客製化耳機並不容易故障

正常使用下應該滿難壞的，上次在對岸論壇看到有位老兄戴著客製在公車上撞到欄杆，整個耳膜都碎了

JH13我覺得低頻就已經很強大了，所以還是要看個人的喜好，可換線的好處是事後方便調整
JH16比較吸引我目光的不是8單體而是3音管的設計，聽感不知和目前雙音管的CM有何差別，還有耳朵不夠大的人要怎麼塞三個音管進去也是個問題

[Hkimo]

I received a production sample of the JH Audio JH16 Pro last week. And, yeah, I was excited.

When something's this new (especially at the level of performance of this class of headphones) it's sometimes hard to discern excitement for the newness (and all that's good about that particular newness) from your overall take on the product, relative to what you've had that you're comparing it to--kind of like dating someone new. That said, I'm not yet prepared to conclusively say that I like the JH16 Pro over the JH13 Pro, but I can say that, at this point, I'm enjoying the heck out of it (and, at this point, prefer it).

First of all, here's what I've used it with: I have mostly used it with my computer rig (with Amarra) driving the Lavry DA11, and amping with the Ray Samuels Audio Apache (single-ended), the Ray Samuels Audio Protector (single-ended), the Lavry DA11's headphone output, and the Luxman P-1. I have also used it directly out of an iPhone 3GS headphone output, and the iPhone 3GS/iPod Classic 160 amped with the Protector. My musical tastes vary a great deal (spanning most genres), and I have sampled the JH16 Pro against the JH13 Pro with a wide variety of musical genres.

Here are my early observations:
The JH16 Pro's difference in bass is not only evident at high volumes, as might have been suggested earlier. It has more bass emphasis than the JH13 Pro, period.
Listening to music with little to no content below 100Hz results in a virtual toss-up between the JH13 Pro and the JH16 Pro, though still they're not exactly the same (but close enough to, again, be a virtual toss-up).
Treble performance, by the way--one of the JH13 Pro's great strengths--is just as good with the JH16 Pro, with all the detail, extension and shimmer of the JH13.
Where they are mostly different--and noticeably so--is down below 100 Hz. More specifically, at or around 50 Hz is where most of the difference is, with the JH16 Pro being a few dB higher, or thereabouts.
It's more than just the bump (relative to the JH13 Pro), but the bass characteristics are different: The JH16 Pro is simply more physical about it than the JH13 Pro, and I'm stating this as a positive trait--in my experience, it's the epitome of bass impact outside of a loudspeaker. Obviously, four drivers per ear dedicated to the task has much (if not everything) to do with this.
The bass extension probably reaches at least as deep as any other headphone that I've heard. I currently have no ability to measure this to confirm my suspicions, but I feel very confident about this, using both music and several testing tracks. I actually can't think of a headphone I've ever heard with bass that sounds like it hits deeper and more impactfully than the JH16 Pro does.
Other people will be getting theirs soon (if not already), and you're going to read a lot about this as they form their impressions, too. I guarantee it.
The bass detail of the JH13 Pro set new standards for an in-ear monitor. The JH16 Pro elevates this, as there is more emphasis down there, but with absolutely no sense of any comparative loss of control (to these ears). If you tend to like your bass north of neutral--and you want this in a reference-level piece--the JH16 Pro is probably your dream headphone.
One thing that's amazing to me is that the JH16 Pro's low bass is far enough above neutral that I'd expect it to have a greater effect on the low-mids, but I find that its effect there is minimal to non-existent. For me, bass goes wrong and overblown when it's loose and uncontrolled and/or when the boost intrudes on the midrange, and, thankfully, neither of those things is happening with the JH16 Pro. Jerry Harvey is, to my mind, the master of the art of in-ear multi-driver crossovers. We've spent many hours conversing since JH Audio started offering IEMs, and I'd guess that a majority of that time has been spent discussing crossover design, both in general and very specifically. Jerry Harvey's knowledge--where engineering crossovers for multi-driver balanced armature pieces is concerned--is likely unparalleled. And, with the JH16 Pro, he has done masterful work on the bass-mid crossover--the JH16's mids are as pure as with the JH13 Pro to me.

Long story short on my first impression of the JH16 Pro is this: If you have (or have heard a good demo of) the JH13 Pro, and tend to prefer more bass impact than the JH13 Pro currently has (to my ears, the JH13 Pro doesn't lack for bass at all), then the JH16 Pro will give it to you with no tradeoffs that I can hear. If you don't have the JH13 Pro, and you're trying to decide between it and the JH16 Pro, I'd say to order the JH16 Pro if you've tended to prefer more bass impact in your headphones, and/or if you can say definitively that you tend to prefer your bass stronger than neutral. Order the JH13 Pro if you have a strong preference for neutrality (though the JH13 Pro is not perfectly neutral, it's certainly closer than the JH16 Pro).

The strange thing is that I've tended toward neutrality more strongly in the last couple of years, but yet right now the JH16 Pro is my preference--the extension, slam and control is otherworldly, even if it is boosted above neutrality. Like I said at the beginning of this post, however, it could be because it's still new and exciting to me, so time will tell, but I prefer the JH16 Pro right now. The JH16 Pro is like the JH13 Pro with an exceptionally well-engineered subwoofer arrangement.


簡單講一下結論
1.JH13跟JH16很像
2.想要自然點就JH13,想要Bass多一點就JH16
3.有JH13不一定要有JH16

[hdd60311]

這意思是說JH16跟13比幾乎沒進步(只是低頻多了點)?

[forevera06]

哈哈 看一下H兄PO的網站吧
裡頭有提到
Jerry Harvey指出
它的低頻甚至比U.E.11遠遠少得多。
JH16比起JH13只是在低頻範圍裡面加了2dB。
兩個低音單元的加入就是要讓低音的質量及準確性控制得更好。
所以不會被轟到火星上面去啦

另外基本上若平常的使用習慣還不錯的話
客製化耳機並不容易故障

正常使用下應該滿難壞的，上次在對岸論壇看到有位老兄戴著客製在公車上撞到欄杆，整個耳膜都碎了

JH13我覺得低頻就已經很強大了，所以還是要看個人的喜好，可換線的好處是事後方便調整
JH16比較吸引我目光的不是8單體而是3音管的設計，聽感不知和目前雙音管的CM有何差別，還有耳朵不夠大的人要怎麼塞三個音管進去也是個問題

三音管

[Hkimo]

有進步阿!
-the extension, slam and control is otherworldly, even if it is boosted above neutrality.
這一段可以參考一下